Vinnie Has Stone Hawk Cornered
BROADCAST DATE: February 17th, 2007
Vince Daniels devoted the bulk of his radio show today to Scientology’s Narconon Stone Hawk drug rehab front group in Battlecreek, Michigan. It was a terrific show with people who were speaking out against their treatment at the facility for the first time. Vince even managed to get the executive director of the facility, Kate Wickstrom, and her husband, Per Wickstrom, on the show for a brief segment as well as Patty Pieniadz who ran Narconon Connecticut before leaving Scientology this past year.
Skip forward to about nine minutes in on this video to get to the start of the Scientology/Narconon material.
Here’s an earlier segment from the program featuring an expert from a non-scientology drug rehab program explaining how a non-abusive facility operates.
Segment one features Kimberly Darr and Sheri Koenig. Kimberly’s fiancée, Dave Bowser, left Stone Hawk recently but Sheri’s fiancée, Daryl, still remains in the Narconon program.
Part two features the comments of David Bowser who has been out of the program for a week and Melissa Kasey who left the Narconon program just hours before this show. Melissa’s mother, Lynn, also appears.
Part three is a little frustrating because they managed to get the Wickstroms on the show, including an angered Per who felt it important to pick up the extension suddenly and chime in, but there’s a bit more heat than information. It’s best to just get these Scientologist on the record answering questions than to take them on with heated exchanges. These are, after all, people who have been trained in bullbaiting.
The final segment is far too short. Patty Pieniadz talks about her experiences running Narconon Connecticut and working for Scientology’s dirty tricks division in the Office of Special Affairs. Hopefully she can be back for a full hour soon. She has a lot of info to share.
This was a great show and my thanks go out to Vinnie for continuing to tackle the subject. Already they have been digging up information on the guy and trying to smear him on the net. The frantic attempts to stop people from appearing on this show is a clear indication of how worried Scientology is about The Many Moods of Vince Daniels.
Here’s an earlier segment from the program featuring an expert from a non-scientology drug rehab program explaining how a non-abusive facility operates.
Keep it up, Vinnie. You’re helping a lot of people.
February 17, 2007 at 6:26 pm
It was a GREAT show.
Thanks Vince and Patty.
To the victims that spoke out today, I admire your courage and I believe
you will find a way to make Narconon understand what they are doing is so wrong.
Filing a complaint with
http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132-27417_27647—,00.html
Medical Malpractice and Class Action Lawsuits
http://www.classlaw.info/
February 17, 2007 at 8:03 pm
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February 17, 2007 at 8:03 pm
The third video has been pulled from YouTube already.
February 17, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Wow, great job Mark, you really got that video up there fast!
Apparently Vince Daniels is going to have some more callers on next week’s show as a follow-up to the Narconon thing…
February 17, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I don’t think it’s been pulled. I haven’t been notified of it being pulled and I have Vinnie’s permission.
February 17, 2007 at 8:44 pm
It says it’s still processing at YouTube. I’ll try uploading again if it isn’t available soon.
February 17, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Geat work Mar Bunker. Your site gets plenty of traffic and you posting Vince’s programme IS a public service. It should be of grave concern that something as dangerous as the “Purif’ is used at all, let alone on addicts in recovery. What will it take before this scientology front gruop narCONon is dismantled , death? Why arent the relevent authroities investigating these instances? Do people need to DIE before something is done?
February 17, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Hey Mark. Is there any chance Vinces stuff will find a home on http://www.xenutv.com?
February 17, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Thanks for the kind words, everyone. As for this stuff going onto XENU TV, I’m working on how best to revamp the site. A complete redesign in long overdo and these two sites have to be united.
February 18, 2007 at 12:23 am
Thanks Mark!! I’ve put it on our board.
Kerry
http://tomcruisehq.com/
Chalkboard Scientology section
February 18, 2007 at 9:52 am
Mark,
The picture at the top of the WOG BLOG of Vinie doesn’t take you to Vince Daniels show. It takes you to what looks like where you (Mark) would sign in to make changes to your blog. Just thought you’d like to know.
February 18, 2007 at 10:38 am
Thanks Desert. It didn’t appear to have a link at all in the editing-mode of the page so I’be now out a link to Vince’s site there. I appreciate the heads-up.
February 18, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Part two won’t even load, and part three stops playing in the middle. Just letting you know Mark.
February 18, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Anyone else having these problems? Part two started fine for me and I’m letting part three play through now.
February 18, 2007 at 7:13 pm
first part is not loading for me or a buncha other people
February 18, 2007 at 7:16 pm
The first Video says “this video is not available”. The others were great!!! Thanks for putting this up.
February 18, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Greetings, citizens of Teegeeack! I heartily approve of this radio program, and I am pleased to see find humanoids such as yourselves furthering the betterment of mankind.
CONTINUE to praise my mighty name, and blessings shall be upon you my children! OBEY ME!
OBEY!
February 19, 2007 at 1:46 am
Well, I am baffled. I played it several times earlier today and it worked fine. I just tried playing it at YouTube and it took a whole minute to start and is playing fine now in the background as I type this. Perhaps because the previous file was named the same, it is confusing YouTube.
I am going to reupload the first part with a slightly different file name and see if it will work properly. So expect it to be down for another hour or so.
February 19, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Mark,
The videos played for me, but had to wait until later in the day to get parts 3 and 4 to stream. Thank you for posting these. I’m quickly becoming a Vince Daniels fan.
February 19, 2007 at 2:03 pm
I just watched the first 3 segments, but the 4th one is taking a long time to load.
Thanks for putting these up so quickly Mark. It was very interesting to find out that Per was trying to silence David Bowser just minutes before the show. I’m very optimistic re Narconon Stonehawke getting its state certification pulled since it appears that several “students” are willing to speak out about the fraud that is Narconon.
Narconon tried to expand in Sweden, but a recent court decision put an end to that. Narconon Arrowhead tried to expand, but they can’t find a local hospital willing to do detox for them. Now Narconon Stonehawke is getting intense scrutiny because of Vince Daniel’s show. 2007 is already looking like a bad year for Narconon. Let’s hope that all Narconons will be shut down sooner than later.
February 19, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Here’s another Narconon link of interest. This one actually has the balls to call itself the “best in the rehabilitative industry,” and says it has a 90% success rate.
http://www.narconongulfcoast.com/
February 20, 2007 at 4:04 am
How has some law firm not seen the value in a class action law suit against Scientology? There are mountains of evidence and front groups to sue, not to mention the church itself. Look at how much trial lawyers profited from the Priest pedophilia scandal. Of course scientolgoy doesn’t have quite the bank roll of the Catholic Church, but still bleeding Scientology dry would be more than a pretty penny for whatever law firm took this on. It seems to me after watching this Narcanon would be an easy target to get the ball rolling. Keep up the good work Mark!
February 26, 2007 at 3:45 am
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March 30, 2007 at 4:56 pm
I’m new at thisnarconon web stuff. I was in the stonehawk facility in battle creek mi for 4 months and the horror stories are endless. I am interested in the possible class action suit and am speaking to an attorney next week about my records and a refund. I kept quiet for a long time and just steamed everynite until I began roaming the internet. Keep up the good work. There are LOTS of us outthere.
March 30, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Thanks, for speaking out. Vince Daniels has more on the topic on his show tomorrow. I’ll have it on the blog in the afternoon.
Best wishes,
Mark Bunker
June 8, 2007 at 5:24 am
I need direction on how to get our money back from Stone Hawk. Our son just recently left the program after 3 weeks. I feel the students are set up to fail. They allow the girls and guys to be in the theraputic sauna together for hours a day, and then tell them that they are not to be on contact with one another. Our son left because they pulled them each into different areas, and said they were having unacceptable contact. My son had just called me the day before, and told me how well he was doing. Why in heavens name would you allow male and females with addiction problems to be in sauna together? I also signed a thing on his contract that we were to be called, and he (our son) would be held up to 12 hours until we had time to pick him up. Instead we got a call at 10pm at night, and our son was walking the streets of Battle Creek. They said he signed himself out, and there was nothing they could do. 10pm at night, no money, no cell phone, how responsible is that? If he hadn’t had a phone card, I don’t know how he would have gotten in touch with us. His dad had to drive 3 hours and found him at 2am in the morning outside the hospital (trying to stay in a safe place). I’m furious, and I want our money back, or at least the majority of it. Please point me in the right direction. I know I’m not going to get anywhere with Stone Hawk. Dan Green has yet to return any of my phone calls, and someone said I’d have to talk to Per Wickstrom, but I know I’m going to have the same response.
June 8, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Hi, Linda.
I’m sorry to hear about the deplorable treatment your son received. I’d suggest you contact Professor Dave Touretzky. He may have some suggestions:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/contacts.htm
dst@cs.cmu.edu
Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu
Good luck.
January 8, 2008 at 4:50 pm
This web site saved my 20 year old son! He was at Stone Hawk in Battle creek for 4 days. He called me and begged me to look into this place. I found this web site and we where there to get him in 3 hours. I wish I would have seen it before. We also are not getting any thing from the people!( That suppose to care) We are lost what to do!
January 8, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Hi, Jacky.
I’m glad I was able to help. Again, I’d suggest Dave Touretzky may be able to offer my advice:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/contacts.htm
dst@cs.cmu.edu
Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu
January 8, 2008 at 5:58 pm
…more advice, rather.
January 15, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Thank you!
February 7, 2008 at 8:40 pm
None of the youtube videos embedded here apparently work anymore. Can you upload them to google video instead? (where you also uploaded the Fishman Deposition) Google seems to allow for higher quality video than youtube anyways.
Thanks!
February 17, 2008 at 5:50 am
Looks like Scientologists got your youtube account!
April 30, 2008 at 10:18 pm
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