Former Scientologist Speaks Up

Anonymous has brought another voice into the open, using the Anonymous technique of computerized voices.

Do you think Anonymous has had an impact?

UPDATE

I agree with Michael Pattinson that the “OT8” material is not valid. He made a post about it today:

I just read this web page for the first time.

http://www.torymagoo.org/cosvm/ot8.htm

It is wholly inaccurate. I did OT8 in 1990, and NONE of this was part of it. Not the Jesus part, and not the whole “recalled process” part, which is, IMHO a “crock of shift”. It looks to me like these are 2 DECOY texts to confuse the public. Tory can not be blamed for posting it, but I can vouch for its inaccuracies.

The two accurate things that have been posted on the internet are;

1. Ariane Jacquier’s account of OT8.

2. The “End Phenomenon” of OT8 that Scientology’s lawyers forced out of me in a deposition “Now I know who I am not, and am interested in finding out who I am”.

This other stuff was nowhere on OT8. I think it should be removed from Tory’s web page in the interests of correctly informing the public.

Thanks

Michael Pattinson

It is nothing I ever talk about. I read years ago that the disputed OT8 was originally distributed but that it caused such a furor that Hubbard withdrew it immediately and replaced it with the current one. That may or may not be true. It’s anecdotal at best and since it can’t be confirmed I have never brought it up.

That some people do speak of it, I can’t help except to say that I don’t think it helps anyone to use it as an example of abuse or fraud in Scientology.

We do have audio of Hubbard saying “There was no Christ.” I see no reason to contradict that with Hubbard saying the Christ that didn’t exist was a pedophile.

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9 Comments on “Former Scientologist Speaks Up”

  1. FTSOH Says:

    For fucks sake Mark Bunker. Not that “Jesus was a Pedohile” crock of shit
    OT-8, that’s been discussed at lenght here today and found again to be a
    forgery.

    Why oh why do you forward this crap?

    Even OT-8 Michael Pattinson writes this today:

    I just read this web page for the first time.

    http://www.torymagoo.org/cosvm/ot8.htm

    It is wholly inaccurate. I did OT8 in 1990, and NONE of this was part
    of it. Not the Jesus part, and not the whole “recalled process” part,
    which is, IMHO a “crock of shift”. It looks to me like these are 2
    DECOY texts to confuse the public. Tory can not be blamed for posting
    it, but I can vouch for its inaccuracies.

    The two accurate things that have been posted on the internet are;

    1. Ariane Jacquier’s account of OT8.

    2. The “End Phenomenon” of OT8 that Scientology’s lawyers forced out
    of me in a deposition “Now I know who I am not, and am interested in
    finding out who I am”.

    This other stuff was nowhere on OT8. I think it should be removed from
    Tory’s web page in the interests of correctly informing the public.

    Thanks

    Michael Pattinson


  2. The OT VIII statement about Jesus being a pedophile has come into question.
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/aa0968fbfce2c512/a8efecd2a02edfa1#a8efecd2a02edfa1
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/4a5780de6e95eb4f/66b5b54bb2797386

    Also I made sure to post on your Mac’s place regarding Scieno-sitter / Clam Sitter. If you have up to date information regarding it, please share. I can download a copy but it appears to be the version that only worked with win95 (about 200KB), perhaps NT 4.0, but not 98 or above. I am unaware of any version for win2k or xp.

  3. Bill W Says:

    The whole Christ thing a really a waste of time. COS will say anything to have a believe LRH’s comments were taken out of context or something stupid like that. What will work best is not arguing over what makes OT8. Instead, getting people like the one who was posted on this site to talk is what will make COS change. If the gov’t spent as much time wasting our money investigating COS as they have on steroids so far, we’d all be better off.

  4. windsjedi Says:

    Dark Criminal Mind Behind Ananymous

    See Mark Bunker on video inciting the anti-religous Terrorist Group known as Chanology. During this propaganda interview to incite the new terrorist organization in the United States and around the world Mark Bunker admits his circle includes newly released known criminals, he even names them, and he teaches raw recruits how to avoid being jailed as part of Anonymous activities. Go to http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig_road-to-february-10-2008-final-vers_politics

    Check out the Chanology investigation started at this site http://chanologychanology.wordpress.com/

    This is too hot for me associating with a known criminal group.

  5. David Says:

    Ignoring the blatant attempts to discredit Mark above for a moment. On the actual subject of the posting. The problem that anyone “speaking out” following the Anonymous style is that it is completely anonymous.

    This means that it can’t be checked or verified and could be misinformation that will be used later on to say “hey, look what those idiots who protest against Scientology will believe in if it paints Scientology in a poor light”.

  6. Anon0000007 Says:

    I can’t believe scientology still thinks they can “handle” anonymous…, terrorists?, c’mon?! can’t you come up with something a little bit more creative? Anonymous does not hurt people, does not kill, does not charge any money to be in the organization…..just think about that and tell me who the real terrorist is…

  7. David Says:

    I think you are missing the point.

    Look at it this way. How many of the critics they have “handled” in the past have actually given them cause to “handle” them in the way they have or matched the OSA/GO description of them?

    Name one.


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  9. glenn Says:

    Michael, I’ve been where you have and understand completely. Thanks for sharing all the insight you gained and posted at http://www.exscn.net/content/view/75/101/1/12/index.html I also knew Quentin back in Clearwater and find your impressions of him and his challenges he faced exaclty as you described. Thank you for all you wrote; it was very interesting and revealing.


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