Mac’s World

ORIGINAL BROADCAST DATE: Wednesday January 30, 2008 

I was just on a Des Moines radio show which seemed to go well.  The co-host Bradshaw had me on to speak about Scientology and Anonymous.

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175 Comments on “Mac’s World”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Outstanding Job!

  2. ni4ni Says:

    Wise Beard Man is Wise.

  3. Orbis Says:

    Great, great job.

  4. Anon Says:

    Good work.

    We can see how much this grows every day, we cannot be silenced and ignored much longer.

    It seems like we are a long way from the 10th of February, but it will come upon us quickly. We must be ready.

    You must be ready.

    Expect us.

  5. mistegirl Says:

    The whole show was great and you’re an inspiration Mark.

  6. Dianetics Says:

    Pool’s closed.

  7. anon Says:

    If you strike Wise Beard Man down, he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!

  8. Anon Says:

    Beard be with you!

  9. Jim Masterman Says:

    You will not do anything illegal!

  10. Anonymous Says:

    We love you, Wise Beard Man!

  11. Anonymous Says:

    amazing interview wise beard man! great job handling the scientologist at the end.

  12. Anonymous Says:

    MUCH LOVE WISEBEARDMAN! You are like our long lost father

  13. Anonymous Says:

    Thanks for the support Wise Beard Man. You’ve spread this cause tremendously.

  14. anonymous Says:

    good job Mark!

    we understand why you are not openly claiming that you are anonymous.
    some of our practices in the past were quite disreputable.

    however everyone should realise that we are all anonymous. each in their own way.

    we do not forgive.
    we do not forget.
    we respect Mark Bunker and anyone who would fight scientology in the open.

    expect us.

  15. anonCptLULZ Says:

    Good show, Mark!

    I have to wonder if the host is also anonymous, given the memes he had in his show…

  16. des moines listener Says:

    Great job A+!!!!!

  17. SF Says:

    ok, I’m old what is:memes, /b/, and /a/.

    Sorry, but I’m way out of the loop on this. I can barely txt.

  18. a non Says:

    A recording of the show can be found on the bay of pirates. Search for “mark bunker” there and you’ll find it. X marks the spot.

  19. Anonymous Says:

    SF :
    > ok, I’m old what is:memes, /b/, and /a/.

    “Memes” are community in-jokes. /b/ and /a/ are names of boards on various forums that Anonymous uses, although this has grown beyond those to other communities. (/b/ is an anarchic “asshole of the internet” with virtually no rules which is generally full of offensive content, but again this is largely an in-joke, in reality most of us are decent intelligent people.)

    It’s important to realise that there is no “official” Anonymous position on anything, actually some anons oppose this campaign on the grounds that it attracts too much attention, but a lot of us are in it “for the lulz” (laughs) and/or because we oppose the crimes of Co$.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    Thank you, Wise Beard Man!

  21. Anonymous Says:

    Good job Mark! Very well done, keep up the good work!

  22. Anonymous Says:

    Great job Mark, Is it possible that you could upload this to youtube?

  23. Anonymous Says:

    Dude… He is such a /b/tard and if not he lurked our HQ.

    WISE BEARD MAN HAS SPOKEN!

  24. Anonymous Says:

    I’m mirroring this on my server.. I have to buy bandwidth in bulk anyways and a lot of it goes unused, so I’m using it to spread the word. Also, server is in Canada so the scientologists can’t use the DMCA law to force my host to unplug my server after I refuse to remove it.

    [audio src="http://vita.deadfrog.us/Mark_Bunker_on_Scientology_98.3_WOW_FM.mp3" /]

  25. JJ Says:

    Jeeze, change the “anonymous” to annoying.

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  27. anonymous dude Says:

    Very good show Mark, it was a great listen. I am glad you at least show support for anonymous’s peaceful rallies that have happened and are being planned. It is good that the word is being spread.

    The scientologist coming on the show was very interesting I must say, but you handled it well and kept the message strong.

    anyways it was definitely a win for those who want to reveal the truth about scientology. Go xenutv!

  28. anonymous Says:

    Very good show Mark, it was a great listen. I am glad you at least show support for anonymous’s peaceful rallies that have happened and are being planned. It is good that the word is being spread.

    The scientologist coming on the show was very interesting I must say, but you handled it well and kept the message strong.

    anyways it was definitely a win for those who want to reveal the truth about scientology. Go xenutv!

  29. anonymous 2 Says:

    excuse the double post, there was some error when I subimitted the post.

    Also just note “Desu” is just a word used to spam. Not sure why people are doing it but don’t mind them too much.

  30. A-NON Says:

    EPIC WIN for wizebeardman
    over 200000 hits on picketing posts

  31. Matt Says:

    Great show again Mark. Why do they lie? I can’t think of any reason why they lie?

  32. Anonymous Says:

    The download of the mp3 is quite slow (or I live way too faraway from the server).
    I assume a lot of people want this right now, particularly since this Anonymous vs Scientology thing is “hot” at the moment.

    I would suggest putting up a torrent of it, as most anonymous would probably have no problem sharing this kind of files, improving speed and releaving load from your server.

    If nothing else, perhaps a copy onto youtube would work.

    I didnt find it on youtube now myself, but I didnt look too hard, I was mostly going straight here to have a looksie.

  33. me, TremblingEagle Says:

    Well done.

  34. argyle Says:

    WTF is with the crappy stream? For every 1 second of audio you get, you get a 1-5 second buffering delay.

    Don’t waste your time on this crap, unless you want frustration.

  35. A-NON Says:

    plz someone who can DL this make a torrent and post on mini or pirates

  36. EmperorXenu Says:

    Well done wisebeardman! Keep up the good work! But please, remember to everybody that scientology is placed all over the world.
    I’m in Italy and they are here from 1974, they have killed 5 persons and the 21st of January, a case very similar to that of Lisa McPherson occurred…but this time their victim managed to escape!
    Here’s the link of news (in italian): http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Regioni/Sardegna.php?id=1.0.1806761426
    And here’s an English translation:
    http://www.lermanet.com/italian-scientology-crime.htm
    I believe this a big news!

  37. anonymous Says:

    A bit buried in the earlier comments, but a kind anon has mirrored it here.

    It might be beneficial to go ahead and link to it in the main article.

    [audio src="http://vita.deadfrog.us/Mark_Bunker_on_Scientology_98.3_WOW_FM.mp3" /]

  38. Snap Says:

    Stream and download are pretty much broken right now. Thankfully the torrent posted in a comment above is super fast, downloaded in around 2 minutes.

  39. EmperorXenu Says:

    http://www.lermanet.com/italian-scientology-crime.htm
    Look here! A case very similar to that of Lisa McPherson occured in Italy the 21st of Jenuary!
    But this time the victim managed to escape, and 3(French) scientologist were arrested!
    The name of the woman is Martine Maiha Boublil (french).
    Please spread this news!
    Go Mark!

  40. Anonymous Says:

    Well done Wise Beard Man, I salute you, thank you for your words of wisdom.
    The crimes of Scientology must be spread. Good luck to all Anon and non Anon in the protests on the 10th, I’m partaking also. To everyone, Good luck!

  41. ryan Says:

    nice wise beard man, very well done job. also bradshaw was good.

  42. A.Non.Ymous Says:

    hey mark, i just caught the highlight bit on youtube, am about to listen to the full show.

    i didn’t realize wow was in dsm. cool. i’m in s/e ia and it’s good to see there are likeminded people, anonymous or not, near me.

    someone on a chan said that nobody lives in iowa, but i would beg to differ. a lot of us do, but haven’t made our presence known. there are no sci orgs in the state, thankfully. i don’t know if this is due to a state issue or not. but chuck grassley, a senator from iowa, is on the senate tax reform commission. i have written him, and i urge all others, anon or not, to write to your representatives and senators, federal, state and local, asking to press for the revocation of the Co$’ tax exempt status. a list is freely available online of the reps and senators on the committee.

    be articulate and polite. be concerned. they do listen to their constituents. together, anonymous and non-anonymous can bring down this dangerous cult.

    good job, mark and keep up the great work.

    anon in iowa

  43. Anonymous Says:

    note: the vita.deadfrog.us mp3 link has 100mbit of available capacity, you guys are only using about 10mbit of it right now (each socket is rate-limited in an effort to keep response times low since I also run an imageboard and torrent site on that server).

    Hey almighty wise beard, you are free to link to the copy on my site as an alternative download link. Also, you should link to the torrent too since most anon already have the software required to torrent. you don’t have to hammer your own server, I’d actually recommend you remove the link from the site so your site can stay up so the information can still be spread. My server and the torrent have the MP3 covered, just focus on spreading the word, wise beard.

    As an unrelated note to the anons out there, please take wise beards words to heart. In this war, the almighty wise beard is like the burning bush in that fictional book. Listen to the burning bush, a.k.a. the wise beard. He will show us the way.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    Great job Mark.

  45. Guv' (UK) Says:

    Suffice to say that Bradshaw was on your side. Loved the token scientologist who got on at the end. Good stuff.

    A salute from across the pond.

  46. ntelekt Says:

    Man, that O.T. V lady flat out lied about Body Thetans and Xenu. She did it so unconfortably too! Good job Mark.

    Anonymous, good luck on 2/10. Let them have no reason to smear your name, nor Mark “Wise Beard Man” Bunkers’ on that day. As they say, God Speed.

    Also, Anonymous, Mark mentioned fundraising. I think what Mark Bunker has planned for his movie is going to be next step in spreading the truth about Scientology after the peaceable protest is sucessful. Individual donations can make the movie a reality!

  47. anon Says:

    Scientology closed

  48. Anonymous Says:

    sorry if the download from the vita.deadfrog.us link was disrupted for anyone, php crashed due to aids and I had to reset the httpd, as the main site needs php to function (probably related to the new kusaba board that refused to load without a symlink)

    You guys are using 25mbit, a little bit less than 50% of what I can allow without it interrupting site traffic (and before the programmed rate limits become more aggressive). Keep it up, spread the word, and spread the links to both my mirror and the torrent, please go easy on almighty beard man’s bandwidth, don’t spread that link!

  49. Anonymous Says:

    “As the kids say… pools closed.”

  50. anaruiz Says:

    I love you Mark , marry me?

  51. anon Says:

    Most excellent piece.

    Wise Beard Man is wise.

  52. Anonymous Says:

    The Anon near the middle of the end talks way to much.

  53. Brian Says:

    way to go mark, you were amazing, covered a lot of information and kept your cool.

  54. James Says:

    I am blown away. Mark Bunker, you are an inspiration. Anonymous has the numbers, they did crap in the past and it did start out for the epic lulz, but I’m glad they are ready to change their ways and do this legitly. Scientology is not something that should be taken lightly.

    Mark Bunker, if I could I’d finance your Scientology film.

    Hey, it’s the thought that counts, right?

  55. George Says:

    Oh my. an OT 5 lying on the radio about Thetens and not knowing anything about Xenu. Was it me or was there something in the way she was saying “no.” to those questions?

  56. sortofwant Says:

    There isn’t a chin behind Wise Beard Man’s beard, only more wisdom.

  57. hobart Says:

    WISE BEARD MAN IS WISE!

  58. Anonymous Says:

    Excellent show.❤

  59. Anonymous Says:

    You were great back there!

    Wise Beard Man is Wise!


  60. I took the liberty of uploading the radioshow to YouTube. The site was sluggish, and others have asked for a YT edition. Worst case, Mark can ask me to take it down, or he can use http://www.keepvid.com to download it in youtube format.

  61. lgattruth Says:

    REMIX!!!

    tee hee

  62. Anon_and_on Says:

    Mark, you are an inspiration to us all

    Thank you so much for being so wise on this subject matter and your continued drive

  63. CATS Says:

    All your thetans are belong to us.
    You are on the way to destruction.
    You have no chance to survive make your time.
    Ha Ha Ha Ha . . . .

  64. David Says:

    You did well Mark. Thank you.

  65. FPB Says:

    hi mac
    i’m really intrigued by how you upload an audio link onto your postings. i’ve just about figured how to do you tube videos and images but hadn’t realised it was possible to do audio. is it difficult?
    fpb

  66. XENU TV Says:

    Hey, thanks for all the great comments, everyone and thanks for the Anonymi who hosted the show on their server and put the show on YouTube. I made a playlist of the radio show:

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9A05E1CA36854F7F

    As to the audio player on the blog, that is a plugin for WordPress. It comes built in to the wordpress.com accounts and it is very easy to use. You just type [audio url-of-file.mp3] and it appears.

  67. Wolin Says:

    Wise Beard Man is Wise.


  68. No worries Mark. To be clear, I am not anonymous. Like your self I don’t support the DDoS attacks. I didn’t do it during the first usenet war, and won’t do it now.

  69. SF Says:

    I didn’t support the internet dos, but I will be there to protest!

  70. Anton Says:

    First off there is a lot of very useful streaming video and audio on you’re site, not just this radio show!

    Personally I would not be involved right now if I had not watched and listen you’re videos and audio.

    What is upsetting me right now is that it seems that xenutv.com is down.

    Are you’re videos and audio available for any other source? (not just this radio show)

  71. T.I. Says:

    I think their whole denial of doctrine is simply about copyright and vows they have taken to not reveal those doctrines. Were they to own up to it they would place themselves in deep trouble with the COS with some sort of breach of contract. Is that right Mark?
    I think the only positive thing that could come out of asking them about these things they have promised not to talk about is to make them “think” about the validity of claiming to have the “end all be all” in communication technology which paradoxically prevents you from telling the truth about it. Its a cognitive dissonance meltdown in the making.

  72. JP Says:

    XENUTV has a youtube account that is XENUTV1

    Please go there for information.

    Thank your Mark for all your hard work.

  73. Wrath0666 Says:

    Good Ole Mark.
    Im Going To Try To Go To A Picket On Feb 10

  74. M. Ram Says:

    How do you like your new nickname, Mr. Bunker?

  75. Martin Says:

    I wonder if that poor OT V who called will be sec checking today.

  76. anonymous Says:

    Why is xenutv.com down mark?!

  77. Solid Snake Says:

    While I agree totally with what has been said, and am pleased that this information is being spread, I must say I am unsatisfied with the host of the show’s stab a furries.

    Not cool man!

  78. Wary Says:

    Mark,

    I have a great deal of admiration for what you do here. I was aware that Scientology was a bit of a fringe religion and somewhat on the litigious side, to put it mildly, but I had NO idea as to the extent of the insanity of their belief system, or the utter ruthlessness with which they pursue their detractors. It seems these guys don’t ever quit…. ever. My research(or voyeurism depending on how you look at it) into Co$ started just a few days before the “anonymous” stuff broke and I stumbled first across a few of your videos on youtube and from that found your site. Like you, I am sympathetic to the anonymous cause, but agree they need to be more cautious and measured in their approach, as well as totally above board. Otherwise they will play right into Co$ hands, putting themselves at risk, or putting the church in a sympathetic light.

    My question for you is whether the anonymous folks might not be putting themselves at somewhat more risk than they realize, or even than you’ve warned. The cause for my concern is that they seem to be very loosely organized, if at all. When dozens of folks show up at a given Co$ location to picket on one of these designated dates, aren’t there likely to be Co$ reps or PI’s mixed in as “plants”. Sorry, but I recently read the Jesse Prince court case papers and it really freaked me out. I would encourage folks to read up on some of these cases about how they managed to infiltrate folks’ personal lives undetected for extended periods, just like in the movies. Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get you? I guess my warning would be that folks should be VERY careful about meeting up with and befriending what might appear to be “kindred spirits” on these occasions without being extremely circumspect in the process.

    There seem to be very few of you(the guy at xenu.net being another example) who have maintained a high profile criticizing the Co$ for an extended period and are still at it. Many more it seems were heroically active for a period and then seem to have completely disappeared from the scene, often with little or no indication as to why. This also gives me pause.

    Now that I think back on it, it was my curiosity over the Tom Cruise video that recently renewed my curiosity about Co$, especially when I realized how much trouble they were going into to make it disappear. This type of publicity is key to getting the exposure needed to educate the public.

    But, we also need the news media and public to stop thinking of these guys as just quirky and funny and recognize the very serious, scary and potentially dangerous aspects as well, which I think gets completely missed when we’ve all finished laughing and gone on about our business.

    Wary

  79. Clarke Says:

    Mark, thank you so much for your continued work…. Many “anonymous” (not affiliated but educated in their ways) criticize your stance on their methods. The cite the amount of interest their actions have generated compared to you.
    But I disagree, the actions of scientology have generated this interest, and you and your work have finally paid off. The body politic is finally curious about scientology and what its all about and now they have more information than just scientology.org or “what is scientology.” They also have the perspective of us wogs. Your message to anonymous almost singlehandedly changed the campaign from deviant to righteous. So don’t let anybody tell you that your work isn’t noted.

    I would certainly understand if you didn’t join the picket line, it is important that you stay separate, we know how they operate. But I really hope you have something planned for 2/10.

  80. anonymous Says:

    Since when has the media done anything but portray us as scary and potentially dangerous?

  81. Wary Says:

    I was actually referring to the Co$ as scary and potentially dangerous, not anonymous. My apologies for the ambiguity.

    Wary

  82. Anonymous Says:

    Anon of Great Britain stand with you Wise Beard Man.

  83. Anonymous Says:

    I want WBM to cuddle me. He’s like the grandfather every anon wishes he had :3

  84. T.I. Says:

    Wary,

    I agree with what you’ve said here. If the fear is justifiable and real on the outside, imagine what it must be like inside. You have to ask yourself if the actions of the poor COS folks shown bullbaiting and whatnot in the picket videos are driven by that fear or an undying love and compassion for their fellow man.

  85. Partydude Says:

    anon here, wise bearded man, you do great, your words spread keep on, you are not alone

  86. Wary Says:

    TI,

    Good point. My guess is that they are driven by fear to a large extent, and a strong survival instinct as well. Which reminds me of another one of my concerns with these Co$ folks. If they’re capable of such extreme measures under a moderate amount of legal, public and media scrutiny, what might they be capable of when they’re really under siege. A sobering thought.

    Wary

  87. JP Says:

    Here I give you guys some tips from the PRO.How to picket the cult.

    Read carefully so you will be prepare for next February 10.

    Good luck guys and please take care

    LINK:
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/ff794850fec29215/773f84983ef9adf4?#773f84983ef9adf4

  88. Mudkip Says:

    Listen to wise beard man anon. He has been doing this for much much longer than we have and knows more than all of us put together.

  89. ntelekt1 Says:

    Hey Mark and Anonymi. Have you seen my comment from yesterday (scroll up). I think we (Anonymi, Wise Beard, and myself) all are hoping for an effective yet peaceful national picket on the 10th. Good luck and God Speed to us all. Lets not allow anything that can discredit the effort.

    Also, I suggested that after the 10th of Feb event, the next stage of Anonymous’ efforts can be to help Mark Bunker make his movie a reality! Individual donations by the legion can bring his project to the masses! Mark would you agree?

  90. mac Says:

    Dear Wary and TI –

    Please stop trying to scare people away from exposing Scientology. Your tactics are obvious and won’t work.

    Mr. Bunker, I salute your effort and determination to take this money-grubbing cult down.

    mac

  91. Wary Says:

    mac,

    I’m not trying to scare anyone. It’s just that I’ve spent a couple weeks reading up on these guys and think others would be well served to do the same, that’s all. I sincerely hope this campaign is successful. If you think I’m Co$ you have another thing coming, LOL. By way of proof:

    Xenu, Xenu, Xenu, Xenu. That should be enough to damn me, but let me add: L. Ron Hubbard sucks big donkey(scratch, make that Xenu) d@#s in whatever dimension he’s researching higher levels of OT bulls@#t in. Well, you get the point.

    Wary

  92. ntelekt1 Says:

    Anonymous. the Beard in all its vast amounts of Wiseness was correct in the interview when he mention that Scientology will paint you as terrorist. I think, by extension, if anything goes wrong on the 10th Scientology will lie and say that Mark was involved in an attempt to discredit him and cause a back fire. Please spread the word Anonymous, you/we/I cannot allow that to happen to the Bearded One.

  93. anonymous Says:

    good work Lt Bunker! Loving the interview, loving the youtube, the sharing of the wisdom and protecting all of us.

  94. T.I. Says:

    mac, Wary,

    Neither am I. What I am doing is trying discuss a very real aspect of this whole business, that is, the fear within and surrounding the COS that dictates not only their actions but the actions of their critics. I am not COS, never have been COS, and never will be COS. So … disengage paranoia circuit or whatever.

    My point is this, the majority of Scientologists are ignorant of the dirty tricks and abuses until they actually experience them for themselves and by then they are sufficiently implanted with FEAR to impede their rational thoughts about it. Take Tory or Jesse’s stories for example.

    It appears to me after reviewing a great deal of information is that the common everyday Scientologist is a victim of the criminal elements within the Church that are violating their constitutional and civil rights. In cryptic prose: The eye must be plucked from the pyramid.

  95. T.I. Says:

    Also, I would like to ad, that at this point if anyone isn’t scared of the COS they are either ignorant of the facts or very, very, stupid. If they can take down a multi-millionaire on-fire critic like Bob Minton, then they, like loaded guns and rattle snakes, deserve our respect, caution, and yes fear.

    Speaking of fear, attitudes and atmosphere’s of fear, and intimidation the phrase used by Cruise “Go to Guns!” is calculated to induce and promote all of the above.

  96. Anon's friend Says:

    Great job wise bearded man! Though the radio guy is a dork…

  97. Paranitis Says:

    You should honestly edit the clip to get rid of the commercials.

  98. ANY MOUSE Says:

    Scientology is the greatest thing to happen to us as a human race. Why fight such a wonderful and powerful change? It is inevitable, we will assimilate all of you into our religion. Why fight? Even if you are too stubborn to see the way, your children arent, and they are the ones we will target.

    L. Ron Hubbard IS the only GOD that you will ever need. Follow him to the light!

    ZIEG HEIL LRON!!!!!

  99. Anonymous Says:

    Anonymous is with you, oh wise beardman. You are made of wise and beard.

  100. ur mom Says:

    i would just like to say that errbody in da club should get tipsy.

  101. Open your eyes Says:

    For Australians who wish to join the picket:
    http://www.activistrights.org.au/

  102. humansexualevolution Says:

    Mark, you are a fighter! Good job. Also check my website about sexual evolution.

  103. Jesper, danish viking Says:

    I can almost second Wary’s initial post down to detail level alpha. Many of us have long been thinking co$ was a cooky cult of insane people, but once the level of utter atrocious truth of the entire matter sinks in by reading the massive compilation of information and watching Wise beard man and other heroic and determined long-term internet anti-co$ stances, it’s an eye opener if there ever was one.
    It started with lulz over the very very stray Cruise-missile video and has evolved into a sincere wish to join the fight to bring down this horrific totalitarian regime before it destroys more people’s life.

    I want two t-shirts, one with
    “I’m with Xenu!”
    and another with:
    “I’m with Wise Beard Man!”

    Premium show Mark, keep it up. Good luck on 10 feb and beyond everyone.

  104. JJ Says:

    I bet that new story of the bogus powder sent to the $cientology centers were done by the church itself. As a part to try to paint you anons as terrorists.

  105. me, TremblingEagle Says:

    Mark Bunker becoming John the Baptist to Raptor Jesus?
    awesome

  106. anon Says:

    the announcer is anonymous. ex. pools closed, bel-air theme.

  107. a nonny mouse Says:

    How utterly INTERESTING that the lady scientologist’s household was so DIVERSE. We have a Scientologist, a Catholic, a Wiccan and an Atheist!

    I am SO CONVINCED of her sincerity. Of course body thetans don’t exist. Of course she’s OT V and isn’t lying.

    Psh.

  108. Wary Says:

    JJ,

    I have to agree. Not for a second would I put it past these folks to sacrifice a few of their own oblivious saps for the cause with the hope of looking like victims and drumming up some sympathy. If they get to the point where they feel their backs are against the wall, and it looks like their organization could implode, I shudder to think what they could be capable of. All it would take is a skillfully spun sequel to the sci-fi tale they live out in their heads day in day out. Hell, it wouldn’t even have to be that skillful now that I think about it. I’m old enough to remember Jonestown and how that whole thing developed in what seemed like slow motion in the news, and ended in a way few on the inside and noone on the outside would have ever predicted.

    I just don’t realistically picture this group reforming themselves from within into a more pedestrian religion(if there is such a thing), and I don’t see it happening from external pressure because they have too many safeguards built in. Even if you accept that some of the alleged good things about the Co$ may be true, all of the bad things, and there are many, are thoroughly institutionalized. There are a number of different ways I could see this thing going and most of them are bad, but none worse than the status quo.

    Wary

  109. Shawn Says:

    Excellent interview. Mark from xenutv.com is 100% accurate and Bradshaw gets to the details.

  110. David Says:

    Wise beardman is wise.

    too many newfags ITT

  111. Rory Says:

    Just as long as we stand together on the 10th of February, that’s all that matters.

  112. Anonymous Says:

    Wise Beard Man is very wise.

  113. Dissenting Voice Says:

    Yes, all due praise to Mr. Bunker, sincerely.

    Here’s what I wonder: What if that OT: V wasn’t lying? Bear with me.

    We know David Miscavige has changed OTVII. We know the “Wall of Fire” ritual has changed since its original inception. What if they’ve changed everything, doctrine-wise? Perhaps once the documents regarding Xenu and everything else were leaked onto the Internet, word was handed down to tweak everything, change the terminology, etc., much like like how “Fair Game” is ‘no longer practiced.’

    Perhaps she really was an OTV, and perhaps, even if she did once use the terms Xenu, and BT, these terms have been updated?

    With all due respect, most of the context-sensitive information I’ve read -the ‘secret’ stuff- comes from either members circa 1999 (almost a decade ago), or from court documents prior to that date. I just hope the joke isn’t really on us for being out of touch. Have we recently ‘awakened’ any high-level CoS members who can update our intelligence?

    I suppose none of this has much bearing on whether they still operate as an organized criminal entity, which seems likely regardless.

    Lastly, I’d like to show my support at the Jersey org, but I confess to being a bit of a coward. The Internet has taught me that oftentimes people say an awful lot, but don’t live up to their words. I know how mercilessly CoS hounds and harrasses their detractors, and how they keep tabs on them for many years. It’s one thing if you’re 1 in 1,000 or even 1 in 100, but what if you’re 1 in 10? What good is a mask if they have hired someone to see what car you get into, to see where you go home to? This isn’t kiddie stuff; they are relentless. I basically live paycheck-to-paycheck, and can’t afford to get sued, nor do I have an established professional reputation such as our inimitable host. I am, indeed, most disheartened by rich, powerful men like Bob who have been effectively silenced. Even some of those who were high-ranking former members, who know their tactics inside and out, and who are well-versed in their games have bowed out of the fight. These are things to consider.

    All of that said, I will do what I can, and try to show my support. People really are dying, and lives really are being destroyed. This isn’t some minor miscreant religion we’re picking on, it is a dangerous, intelligent, and well-funded criminal organization. Someone has to let people know the truth about it.

  114. Dissenting Voice Says:

    one more thing… It was mentioned briefly on the ‘cast, but I think the best place to start for getting Scientology info is http://www.xenu.net. Check it out. Sadly, Scientologists are prevented from seeing either this message board or that website.

  115. anonymous Says:

    Stop the cult! Honk if you hate scientology! Feb 10 wear V mask! Be there!

  116. Anonymous Says:

    the wise beard has spoken

  117. Anon Says:

    Wise beard man owned the woman at the end.

  118. Csaba Says:

    “Dissenting Voice Says:
    February 1, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Yes, all due praise to Mr. Bunker, sincerely.

    Here’s what I wonder: What if that OT: V wasn’t lying? Bear with me.”

    Good point. They are constantly changing the “tech”. They break their most important policy KSW regularly.

    So it is quite possible that the OT levels was changed so that there are no more XENU in the course material.

    Unfortunately only a very few knows what is in the course material, and they are security checked continually to keep it secret.

  119. Anonymous Says:

    I’m with Dissenting Voice in that I too am curious in regards to possible updates that may have been made to scientology’s base material pertaining to terminology or even mythos.

    Do we have OT5+ people who have recently defected? recently being the past two years. If we do not, how can we be sure that we’re not simply making fools of ourselves in the face of their followers and that our message can indeed resonate?

    I accept that a lot of scientology’s power over their people comes from the training they’re subjected to, that hypnosis of sorts. Still, conditioned or not, if we go there and profess the fraud that is, say, Flying Spaghetti Monster, they won’t even bat an eye. If Xenu is no longer the core of their “belief” system, then the effect will be exactly the same, regardless of how good our intentions are. I like watching videos from 2000 on youtube as much as the next guy/girl, but come on, it’s get real old, real quick.

    Mark, we need updated material or, at least, confirmation that the material we do have is up to date in relevance (mythos-wise).

    Also, another thing I don’t see a lot of focus on but still seems like one of Scientology’s main “defenses”. Their first courses are actually borderline useful. Just like terrorist organizations in some parts of the world have “schools” that they support so they can claim they are actually doing some good, so does Scientology have some courses that work to a degree. They “help” people communicate better (or give them that impression), they “help” people quit drugs, they have this whole front of seemingly good samaritanism that HAS to be dealt with when we attack the rest of the system. We can’t just ignore it and go for the throat or they’ll use it later to claim we’re just being mean and they’re actually helping people. We have to take the first step and contextualize that “good work” whenever we attack the rest of the organization.

    Heads up, fellow free men, we have work to do, so let’s do it right.

  120. anonymous Says:

    It’s somewhat of a moot point when you consider that their religious beliefs are not our primary concern. We’re protesting their cruel and aggressive tactics and ruthless suppression of free speech. That that crap goes on is not in doubt.

    Beyond that, they can believe whateever they feel like believing. Anyone can.

  121. Krueger Says:

    SNOW DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t have to teach HS students in IL today, Mark!!!!!! Do you know what that means?????

    It means more sleep and I get to catch up on all the radio interviews and video clips from XENUTV that I’ve missed!

    HAPPY SNOW DAY!

  122. Csaba Says:

    “Beyond that, they can believe whateever they feel like believing. Anyone can.”

    Anonymous you are right. But it is not “nice” to say to someone that you are lying about XENU (maybe she never heared about him) as it is possible that it is not in course pack.

    $cio just made a campaign about basically rewriting all the books. And they(“David Miscavige”) have ordered the members to send back the original ones.

    From an earlier article on this site:
    “All Scientologists have been ordered to not only make new purchases of the altered books but also turn in their old copies so that they may be pulped. Miscavige plans to destroy all the evidence of his alterations.”

    So I can imagine that they have also rewritten the OT packs, it could happen that we are telling things to new OTs which is actually not true.

  123. anon Says:

    this radioshow’s segues piss me off.


  124. “Here’s what I wonder: What if that OT: V wasn’t lying? Bear with me.”

    I would think she was lying. She said she was in 20 years and at OT5. We know Xenu was doctrine @ OT3 7 years ago. Also she said she had no idea about body thetan were, where thetan ARE the CoS equivalent word for soul, where she clearly said she is “Operating Thetan 5”.

    On a side note SternTV in Germany just had a broadcast. Ursula Caberta, German expert on Co$ who flew to Clearwater Flordia early this century. I don’t speak German so if anyone is interested in transcripts I’d be happy to put in subs.


  125. Man that was parsed badly. SternTV in Germany had a broadcast about Scientology. Among the experts was Ursula Caberta who flew to Clearwater when the LMT was still around.

  126. Anonymous Says:

    ANONYMOUS, WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT?
    THIS MAN CAN NEVER SHAVE HIS BEARD AGAIN!
    WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

    Aside from that, good job Mark. We had some questions about TAX EXEMPTION and the HIERARCHY OF SCN ENTITIES for someone wiser than most of us. Perhaps an anon could visit air force high command lightning speed arctic and chime in for freedom. Need moar brainz.

  127. T.I. Says:

    As far as what is being taught right now how difficult could it be to get a hold of this information? I just watched a some COS video talking about the outrageous number of books, lectures, and videos they self publish. Who is buying all of this material? There must be a certain percentage who have gained access to these materials and are not actually “going along with it” any longer. Can’t they attest to what is actually being taught? Does the church confiscate or try to have you return these materials if you leave or discontinue?

    And what is the real issue? I don’t think it is the details of the improbable and unscientific nature of the belief system, hence the “religious” nature of the thing. People should be free to believe or disbelieve whatever they wish. There is nothing “scientific” about Scientology and any such claims should be met with skepticism and free inquiry. The COS should invite and promote scientific experimentation to validate their claims about the e-meter and so forth.

    No, the focus has to be the deceptive claims and the violation of civil rights of their members. Lisa McPherson had her rights to life and liberty taken from her, they weren’t “given” away to a higher spiritual authority but rather stolen from her by her sole called friends and saviors.

    Any protest or action must be 100% legal and 100% honest. From all that I have seen, heard, and read up this point, pro and con, that should not present a problem.

  128. Wary Says:

    I think it’s fair to assume that she was lying. I can’t recall where I read it, but the authorization to intentionally lie and mislead outsiders, like many of the other pathological features of this so-called religion is institutionalized.

    Once this anti-Co$ movement gets enough momentum and visibility behind it, I’m hoping that a lot of former Scientologists will come out of hiding so to speak and help the cause, as having the light of day shining on the church shores up their courage. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more silent former scientologsts around than there are current active members. Folks who didn’t try to speak out publicly or go back after their money and were thus allowed to leave in relative peace. These folks, if they can be encouraged to speak up now could turn out to be a real hidden army. That’s my hope anyway.


  129. “I just watched a some COS video talking about the outrageous number of books, lectures, and videos they self publish.”

    Yes, as I read it, the King James version of the Bible has 750,000 or so words in it. That’s a huge book. In Scientology there are 20,000,000 and growing. Here is a vid on their production facility

  130. T.I. Says:

    From the video: “… 15.5 million cds a year … 11 million plus books a year …”
    He did say this was “capacity” instead of “produced” so who knows what is really out there. Nevertheless it seems that anything in as large a production as these materials are supposed to be would be more openly available. I just searched eBay for used materials and there is some, even a couple of high dollar “sets”.

  131. Jacob C. Says:

    Wary: Radical Muslims call it taqiyyah. Scienos call it “acceptable truths.” Either way, the meaning is the same: If you are a fundie Muslim or a Scieno, you are allowed to BULLS__T THE UNBELIEVER about what it is exactly that you believe.

  132. Anonymous Says:

    Wise Beard Man is Wise.

    Be very wary of the tenth of February.

    Also, the announcer is obviously Anonymous.

    Also Hilarious.

    We are Anonymous

    We are Legion

    We do not forgive, we do not forget.

    Expect us.

  133. Anonymous Says:

    I second the anonymous comment:

    MUCH LOVE WISEBEARDMAN! You are like our long lost father

  134. Wary Says:

    Jacob,

    Thanks. I didn’t realize there were other fringe religions that promote open deception when communicating with unbelievers. After poking around using the term you provided(“acceptable truths”), it appears the Co$ doesn’t just promote lying, it’s part of their formal training program, and the direction for this comes from the writings of the big cheese himself, L. Ron Fu@ktard. Scary stuff.

  135. Csaba Says:

    “T.I. Says:
    February 1, 2008 at 7:16 am

    As far as what is being taught right now how difficult could it be to get a hold of this information? I just watched a some COS video talking about the outrageous number of books, lectures, and videos they self publish.”

    You cannot buy these materials. They are neither in the books nor in the published lectures. You have to pay thousands of dollars to read them. I have read from reports that they are protected with some electronic security system. E.g. if you take the material to your desk on the course and you do not plug-in the “connector” in a specified time (e.g. 20s) than an alarm is switched on.

    So this means you have to spend years in their hands (studying/auditing) and spend a lot of money before you get close to this material. And most probable at this point you are under total control and terrified (ethics/security checks) so you do not even think about taking these materials or leak them.

  136. T.I. Says:

    How do they explain the secrecy and the high cost of access as aids in the “clearing of the planet?”

  137. Csaba Says:

    They cover it by “PR”.
    – high cost?
    We want to help the able (and they measure it in money) to be more able.
    – secrecy
    You are not ready to see it. You will die if you see it. LRH claimed that his spine was broken several times when he has researched this stuff. In reality according to David Mayo (http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/books/bfm/interviews/mayo.htm) he got cancer. And according other high level Scientologist several people has died or got psychotic breaks after OT levels (e.g. http://www.antisectes.net/class12.htm)

  138. Tom Says:

    Wise beard man is wise! Good show.

  139. bobthevicious Says:

    Wise beard man is awesome.

  140. Anonymous Says:

    Excellent work, Mark!

  141. Anon Says:

    We are anonymous.
    We are the truth.

    We will destroy fascism.
    We will destroy fallacy.

    We are the people you depend on.
    We are a legion.

    In here we call the shots.
    In here we are GOD.

    We will destroy you.

  142. Anonymous Says:

    you very wise oh bearded one

  143. nikkoleranger Says:

    Great job Mark! You are wise and bearded.

  144. Min Joy Says:

    Great job🙂.. The idea was posed that some people are in on the “anonymous” bandwagon, and that eventually they will lose interest. I don’t disagree with this, and I’d like emphasise the importance of what one caller said. Everyone needs to be aware of how serious this is. In this world money and influence equal power. True, from the outside looking in Scientology’s reach doesn’t seem to go beyond the borders of Hollywood, but if it is allowed to grow, unchecked and unchallenged, how long until it reaches politicians in true positions of power? This might seem like a farfetched idea right now, but who would have believed that the words and ideas of one charismatic leader, who seemed to have all the answers to the economic, and sociological woes of a troubled nation would lead to the imprisonment, and slaughter of thousands of people in Germany?. Do I believe Scientology could lead to such a terrible event? Maybe not directly, but any idea widely embraced by people in power has a way of mutating into something twisted, distorted, and ultimately destructive. Power corrupts.

  145. Dissenting Voice Says:

    “This might seem like a farfetched idea right now, but who would have believed that the words and ideas of one charismatic leader, who seemed to have all the answers to the economic, and sociological woes of a troubled nation would lead to the imprisonment, and slaughter of thousands of people in Germany?. Do I believe Scientology could lead to such a terrible event?”

    Millions of people.

    I have read reports that the CoS has puchased state-of-the-art hardened bunkers. You don’t necessarily need to co-opt the President to drag us or other nations into a very large and bloody war. What would it take to provoke Russia? Or to prompt North Korea to attack South Korea or Japan? Or to prompt Pakistan and India to attack each other? Or to ‘break the camel’s back’ between China and Taiwan? What will happen with Israel once Iran has the Bomb? Even France has nuclear weapons. Are we certain that these have the same degree of safeguards that we have, when rioting in the streets of Paris and elsewhere are commonplace, demonstrating a lack of governmental control?

    This may seem like a tangent, but if any nuclear armed country goes to war with any other nuclear armed country, world war III is virtually guaranteed. Given the way the CoS operates, it’s not unreasonable to think that if they felt their very existence was threatened, they would trigger the right “accident” or stage a rogue attack, just to cause the kind of global upheaval that would stop the witchhunt. If the worst were to happen, the members of the CoS will already be well protected deep underground with all the supplies they could need. As an added bonus, this is a shortcut to the remainder of the human race being clear, since their relative percentage would jump up. I do not put this at all beyond David Miscavige and his ilk.

    I know it sounds absurd, but just don’t put it completely out of your mind that these are the sorts of people we deal with, and they -do- have a global agenda, backed by ever growing star-power and monetary support.

  146. WISEHAND Says:

    YOU ARE THE MAN WOOOOOOOOOOO! NEVER GIVE UP WISE BEARD!

  147. JP Says:

    Protest in Orlando February 2

    Epic Win.They parked a yellow van in front of the church to hide it.More than 150 people were there protesting.

    Mark , when you get a chance try to check the email that I sent you a couple of days ago or try to send me your number so we can talk.

    Thank you.

  148. Anonymous Says:

    Mirrors:
    http://www.filefactory.com/file/ac608c
    http://depositfiles.com/files/3360231

    ALL HAIL XENU.
    ***News Update***
    Scientology has been closed due to thetans.
    We are anonymous
    We do not forgive
    We do not forget
    We are Legion.

    Knowledge is free
    Expect us.

    Be very weary of the 10th of February.
    Pool’s Closed!
    WE ARE Hackers on steroids.
    [insert memes here]
    PS: Ebaumsworld did it!

  149. Anonymous Says:

    JP – yes, the Orlando raids are continuing win. It helps that most of the residents clearly dislike Co$ already, but still.

  150. Anonymous Says:

    Also for those that haven’t seen it on Chanology yet, news of the campaign made it into a good editorial IN THE ECONOMIST! This is BIG, the Economist is a very well respected magazine with 1.2 million copies/week circulation.

    http://digg.com/world_news/The_Economist_reports_on_Anonymous_and_upcoming_protests
    http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10609174

  151. anonymous Says:

    read “a scanner darkly”
    we will not forget
    we will not forgive
    expect us

  152. Missy Says:

    I work in a library. We get donations of Scientology materials about 4 times a year. They bomb each branch with boxes of LRH books and dvds. Most go into the recycling bins.

    Some of us relish this opportunity to obtain free new materials for our official Xenu Shelf.🙂

    My boss, seeing me and a few others cackling over this month’s material, asked for some background. When we gave her the back story, she said she was glad she was too smart to fall for the con.

    I wanted to give her some evidence that “smart” people also get conned. Your comments during this show are very helpful; I’ll pass them along to her.

    I’ve done a lot of reading, and didn’t even realize why the Dianetics book has a picture of a volcano on the cover….

  153. FPB Says:

    hi a
    thks for the advice but i’m such a luddite, which is appropriate for an englishman i guess. when you say type in the mp3 stuff where do i do that? you can’t assume i know anything about this technology. but once i get it, i’m billy the whizz.
    yours
    fpb

  154. anonymous Says:

    XEEEENUUUUU

  155. AnonUK Says:

    Hello

    Just wanted to sat thank you..

  156. AnonUK Says:

    Hello

    Just wanted to, SAY THANK- YOU excuse the TYPO above😦 x

  157. independent nonanon Says:

    Best hour and 15 minutes ever…

  158. B Says:

    Way to go Mark Bunker. lol. Me and my dad have been watching all your videos and I hope you never give up the fight. And now at least with anonymous you’ve got a little help but I do have some questions. What exactly are scientologists beliefs that make them a religion. I cant figure it out. They must have services and preach and tell their followers about ‘something’. Right?

    B

  159. Anti-Fetch Says:

    Wise Beard Man’s power level is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND

  160. Anonymous Says:

    THANK YOU WISE BEARD MAN
    TRULY OT9000

  161. moloko Says:

    Wise beard man sure is wise

  162. Anonymous Says:

    Wise beard man is indeed wise.

  163. Limitbreak Says:

    Thanks wise beard man, you are awesome, and wise.

  164. Anonymous Says:

    Wise beard man spreads truth again

  165. Anonysaur Says:

    What did he say to you off the air?

  166. TheOats Says:

    *speechless*😀


  167. Scieno-sitter / Clam Nanny

    In this show you asked a scientologist about the filtering software which we can safely assume was something Co$ employed as late as 2000. However I can’t find ANY evidence that they still employ this software. It was reported to work with win95, perhaps winnt 4.0, but not 98.

    While I believe it may be possible they updated their filter program 98/2k/xp, very possible as Panda Software offers web filtering, I can NOT verify the the existence of clam filtering at present.

    It looks like you can still download the clam-sitter but I’ve not verified it personally.

    [http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/scienositter2000.html]
    http://on-line.scientology.org/sw.download/setup.exe
    http://on-line.scientology.org/sw.download/clean.exe

  168. L. Ron. Onymous Says:

    Wise beard man is wise and bearded in the most epic of manners. His hair’s girth exceeds 9000 nanometers.

  169. Nolan Says:

    The stab at furries was kinda lame. Otherwise the show went great.

  170. Anon Says:

    wise bearded man is wise
    .
    wise beard man
    his words are wise
    his face is beard
    .

  171. Cornelius Futz Says:

    L. Ron’s HOW TO HAVE A GREAT MARRIAGE course should teach a man how to have his wife put in jail for his crimes…ha ha. L. Ron, the great family man, drives one son to suicide, alienates the other one completely.

    I especially like your introductory remarks in this interview Mark, about the Garbage Eaters, into the 1980’s media interest in cults, and then Scientology’s intimidation of journalists/criticism, over the TIME article, and the resulting expenses TIME spent in litigation.

    The host is a gas. If only they could all be that good, eh?


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