Back on Vince Daniels

BROADCAST DATE:  February 3rd, 2007

The Many Moods of Vince DanielsI returned to the Vince Daniels show today, this time by phone. It was a kind of painful program for me and you can hear it in my voice because I had to speak about a lot of painful topics. The first one being the arrest yesterday of Keith Henson.

It was a last minute addition to the show which I was hoping to go into at the open the show. Thankfully, Barb had emailed Vince Daniels about it before we went on air and he also wanted to address it right off the top.

I’ve met Keith several times. I like him. He’s a decent guy but he can do some dopey things that are not in his best interest. The bottom line is he doesn’t deserve to be in jail.

Keith was protesting Scientology in Hemet when Stacey Moxon died. Scientology tried to lure him away with a free breakfast before the police and medical crews arrived. They wanted to ensure that Keith wouldn’t discover something was wrong and start snapping pictures.

While Keith had been picketing, Stacey Moxon, the daughter of Scientology legal guru Kendrick Moxon, had been electrocuted in an underground electrical vault. At first, Scientology reported to the authorities a vehicle accident. Then it turned into a building fire before the reality of the situation was inescapable.

Scientology next said Stacey went below ground into the dangerous chamber to rescue a baby squirrel. After decades of shore stories (Scientology’s term for outright lies), who can tell what really happened other than a young girl, dedicated to her “religion” as a dutiful Sea Org member was dead.

Keith’s trial was a farce. The word Scientology was not allowed to be uttered. The attorney decided to put on NO defense. He rested, saying the state refused to prove their case. Keith was found guilty of interfering with a religion and sentenced to a year in jail. He fled to Canada, was denied political asylum and snuck back into the US. He will likely be extradited back to Riverside County and face more time.

He and his wife lost their home, lost their incomes and pretty much lost everything for standing up to Scientology. He made some mistakes and some BIG ones but this is still an injustice.

We spoke a bit about journalist Paulette Cooper who suffered mightily at the hands of Scientology’s Guardian’s Office. She spoke about the many covert ops they ran on her at the 1982 Clearwater Hearings:

Read her book, “The Scandal of Scientology” on-line. Check out her official website and drop her a line of thanks for all she’s done.

Then we turned to the topic of Bob Minton. Here’s some info on Bob I put together when I was working for him at the LMT in Clearwater Florida, including the Bob Minton Harassment Timeline. This is the Bob Minton I know and admire:

We ended up talking about the sad end of the Lisa McPherson civil case. The LMT was named for Lisa McPherson. I have a collection of material on Lisa at XENU TV including a link to all the court transcripts of the civil trial. I didn’t do the story justice, watching the closing minutes tick away, wondering how to condense years of legal wrangling into what time was left while not wanting to stir up crap on the net.

If you look at how much time I spent setting up the Keith Henson story when that was just supposed to be a couple minutes of airtime, you can see how long-winded I can get. I had a brutally honest co-worker years ago who would see me start to talk and and immediately say, “GET TO THE POINT!’

Anyway, all of these people were victims of Scientology’s Fair Game doctrine and that’s what I wanted to highlight today. I hope there was some nuggets of interesting material in the show and that I kept the sucking to a minimum. You be the judge. Yes, I’m looking at you, Shirley Jean Wilson.

I hope I did these people justice. It’s hard to say. I left the show feeling very drained. Hopefully I get a chance to cover some of the other aspects of Scientology’s fraud and abuse on another show. I would like that.

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9 Comments on “Back on Vince Daniels”

  1. Butterflygrrrl Says:

    Mark, you did a GREAT job and I, for one, was very impressed!

  2. Desert Rain Says:

    Thank-you Mark.

    Keith, Bob and yourself are HERO’s in my eyes.

  3. John Dorsay Says:

    Mark, you and Vince both did a great job talking about some difficult subjects.

    I do think you are unfair to Keith characterizing his failure to present a defense as “dopey”, though. (whitespace added for legibility)

    From: Keith Henson
    Subject: Letter to the Jury in the Henson case
    Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:09:05 -0700

    [I am sure my postings are read by a number of people in Hemet, perhaps even some of the jurors. If anyone knows some of the jurors, please print this out and pass it to them. hkh]

    Dear Jury members: Even though you folks convicted me one count, I don’t have any ill will toward you, especially since two and three of you hung the jury and would not convict on terrorist threats.

    At least one of you considered it a strike against me to not put on a defense. You didn’t know, and we could not tell you, that the judge had ruled against mention of any scientology beliefs or practices such as fair game or training routine lying.

    As an example, Ken Hoden lied on the stand about the fetus of a shooting rampage victim in Portland being shot through the head. You can find the truth about this in newspaper stories of the time which are archived on the web. Try using terms “Scientology Godeka” in google or one of the other search engines.

    Had I gone on the stand, I could not have pointed out his lies because lying is a scientology belief or practice (look up TR-L, training routine lying) and we were not permitted to mention any scientology beliefs or practices. In one of the posting you saw, there was a guote: “destroy them utterly.” This, I suspect, you took as a threat from me. Because this is a paraphrase of the last three words of scientology’s fair game policy, I was forbidden to tell you that it came from scientology.

    If you are so inclined, put those words and scientology in a search engine and see for yourself. (Of course the next paragraph said the way I was going to “destroy them utterly” was to give them a series of pickets.) We were also forbidden to mention the reason I was out there picketing last summer.

    If you wonder why no photos of me were introduced, they had pictures of my signs which mentioned Ashlee Shaner, the 16 year old who was killed May 17th when she ran into an unlighted front loader bucket at night or Stacy Moxon Meyer who was ordered into a transformer vault to check for ground squirrels and to her death June 25th.

    My offer to send you in email all the postings I made from May to September of last year stands. My email address is I know at least one of you (the one who waved to former Mafia lawyer Abelson) will be at the sentencing hearing May 16 at 11 am. I would appreciate as many of you coming to the hearing as can. There is a good chance you would have an opportunity to talk to the press if you wish.

    Best wishes! Keith Henson

  4. XENU TV Says:

    Thanks, Butter.

    As for the dopey comment, I stand by it. You should mount SOME defense even if your hands are tied.

  5. Carol Says:

    Thank you Vince and Mark for speaking out about these tragic events that need to be brought to the public’s attention. I look forward to hearing more from both of you.

  6. You and Vince did an excellent job today; certainly you made it clear to the uninitiated that there is far more information, than there was time, to discuss the abundance of evil acts scientology has committed against people who opposed it .

    Henson is a victim. Yes, it seems like it was ‘dopey thing’ for him to run. Escaping imprisonment is illegal no matter how you look at it. I think he panicked and made an impulsive decision out of fear. there are always consequences when we are too fearful but I don’t judge him because the situation could have happened to any one of us.

    The important thing is that the Scientology Can of Worms is getting more exposure and that is a blessing; Thanks so much!


    “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11

  7. K Palmer Says:

    Thanks MArk – great job as always – and the rambling? Necessary since so much of the story cannot be understood unless the background details are included. And there is always more and always…

    Scientology…it is worse than you think!

    Kim P

  8. Worthy Oriental Gentleman Says:

    good show. when will you go back again? i’ve been wondering about the story behind what happened to bob minton. not much on the web that i have found. would like to hear more.

  9. I live fairly close to the Hemet building. It’s a very foreboding place, and the thought that something like that is just sitting there squatting just off the road is an uneasy feeling.

    I can’t wait for the day that an authority figure looks at Scientology as a whole and says, “Look I’m gonna say what everyone else is thinking: It’s a scam, a dangerous scam, and it’s getting people killed. We need to stop it, and here’s the order doing so.”

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